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	<title>Comments on: DUI without driving makes little sense</title>
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		<title>By: Brett Brakefield</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brett Brakefield</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 07:49:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I don&#039;t think the law tends to punish people for doing the &quot;responsible&quot; thing, I agree that far too often the broad language of law becomes a detriment to those it was established to protect. In my understanding of the law the mindset seems to be that it is irresponsible to be anything but a passenger while intoxicated. Unfortunately, there is a lot of gray area that is ignored to maintain that ideology.  

In looking further into Mr. Fleck&#039;s situation (he was in his apartment&#039;s parking garage, apparently), there are other even more ridiculous situations surrounding drunk-driving related incidents in Minnesota. 

http://www.startribune.com/local/82268187.html?page=2&amp;c=y
This article comments on a drunk-driving related charge for a man who was drinking in his home before going to his car to listen to his stereo. While that is absurd, he was in &quot;physical control&quot; of the car. 

Another man was trying to operate a vehicle as it was being towed and still got a drunk-driving related charge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I don&#8217;t think the law tends to punish people for doing the &#8220;responsible&#8221; thing, I agree that far too often the broad language of law becomes a detriment to those it was established to protect. In my understanding of the law the mindset seems to be that it is irresponsible to be anything but a passenger while intoxicated. Unfortunately, there is a lot of gray area that is ignored to maintain that ideology.  </p>
<p>In looking further into Mr. Fleck&#8217;s situation (he was in his apartment&#8217;s parking garage, apparently), there are other even more ridiculous situations surrounding drunk-driving related incidents in Minnesota. </p>
<p><a href="http://www.startribune.com/local/82268187.html?page=2&amp;c=y" rel="nofollow">http://www.startribune.com/local/82268187.html?page=2&amp;c=y</a><br />
This article comments on a drunk-driving related charge for a man who was drinking in his home before going to his car to listen to his stereo. While that is absurd, he was in &#8220;physical control&#8221; of the car. </p>
<p>Another man was trying to operate a vehicle as it was being towed and still got a drunk-driving related charge.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam Mallory</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adam Mallory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 14 Feb 2010 02:12:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Isn’t a person drinking inside a bar with their keys in their pocket “in a position to exercise dominion or control over the vehicle?”

With all due respect Mr. Fischer, the logic behind your argument is flawed.
One whom has keys in their pocket in a bar, even if intoxicated, is not in a position to &quot;exercise dominion...&quot; because they are not inside the vehicle. That would be like trying to argue that carrying bullets in your pocket is attempted murder in the absence of a gun.

As for motive, motive is irrelevant in instances such as this. It&#039;s all about intent [how]. The crime for which Fleck was being tried was Driving Under The Influence, which, as the law is written, doesn&#039;t take motive [why, he was &quot;driving&quot; drunk] into account [even if the person wasn&#039;t even driving]. 

I do think that perhaps a new law should be written for cases such as this, to avoid confusion [ex. murder vs. assault with a deadly weapon]. I will agree that it seems absurd that one can be found guilty of &quot;driving under the influence&quot; simply by proving intent to &quot;potentially&quot; drive under the influence. I do however understand the ruling considering the facts of the case, with the law as it&#039;s written, and the precident which was set in 1992.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Isn’t a person drinking inside a bar with their keys in their pocket “in a position to exercise dominion or control over the vehicle?”</p>
<p>With all due respect Mr. Fischer, the logic behind your argument is flawed.<br />
One whom has keys in their pocket in a bar, even if intoxicated, is not in a position to &#8220;exercise dominion&#8230;&#8221; because they are not inside the vehicle. That would be like trying to argue that carrying bullets in your pocket is attempted murder in the absence of a gun.</p>
<p>As for motive, motive is irrelevant in instances such as this. It&#8217;s all about intent [how]. The crime for which Fleck was being tried was Driving Under The Influence, which, as the law is written, doesn&#8217;t take motive [why, he was "driving" drunk] into account [even if the person wasn't even driving]. </p>
<p>I do think that perhaps a new law should be written for cases such as this, to avoid confusion [ex. murder vs. assault with a deadly weapon]. I will agree that it seems absurd that one can be found guilty of &#8220;driving under the influence&#8221; simply by proving intent to &#8220;potentially&#8221; drive under the influence. I do however understand the ruling considering the facts of the case, with the law as it&#8217;s written, and the precident which was set in 1992.</p>
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